TDUZoqqer

Hey Speeder, just wondering, how are you going at the motion blur of the wheels (later on)? Do you also have fake wheels like Forza, or have you figured out how to make non-linear motion blur?

Yeah exactly, trial and error is the key. Had to learn it the hard way lol

Anyway, as I 1) don't have much time to work on the game now, 2) i tend to make the easy stuff when I DO have time (wheels) and 3) wheels take forever to finish for the game (4 hours roughly, with rendering textures and uv mapping and stuff), I only got a little visual "update".

What you can't see here, the CSL slot has 3 different type of wheels ingame now, in particular Styling 67 18 inch (the one in the pic), 19 inch (the original "stock" wheels of the CSL / M3 Facelift) and the CSL wheels.

What can we take from this picture - the 18 inch 67ers look terrible on the CSL :D :D

Trynna make the plate shop or paint shop work in the near future from now. Stay tuned

EDIT: Oh, and the G-Wagon has 27 factory colors now. Oops.

Wow TDUZoqqer!! I have been out of it for a bit, focusing on my studies but this project seems amazing. I have no modding or coding or any skills with PC's except playing games, but if I can help in any way...

Aww, thank you! Glad you like it! :) No problem in terms of not being able to help in this matter, it helps me already to know people are actually liking what I do, that gives me a lot of motivation.

And your post comes quite handy, as I got some updates.

In short - I f...ed up my physics. I don't know how this could happen or what is wrong, really, as it came out of nowhere. I changed my setup slightly (I will talk about it later in the post), which actually didn't change anything in the recieving of the values of the physics. Resetting didn't work aswell, so I'm quite lost here.

I investigated all my setup without results, as mainly it could be caused by many factors, aswell as not a single one.

In particular, my cars are now unstable, way slower and braking ONLY with the rear wheels which causes them all to slide away on braking, especially my G-Wagon mammouth likes to flip over now. No idea what's wrong. If anyone has an idea how to car physics, please let me know. Still gonna try to fix the issue, in case I will, I will post another update.

About the change of setup - it's all about wheels and database. I now have an extra database for the wheels, as later in progress there will be an option to change the wheels. It previously was setup so that the wheels are specially made for one car - in particular, the wheel database had values of grip values, if the wheel is turning by steering and affecting at handbrake, aswell as particular wheel bone names for the parent car. Now those values are in the car slot database itself, which makes it easy to just put different wheel meshes on. Gonna make a tire database later on, to change tires aswell. Eg, slicks which give more grip and so on.

Wheel sizes, and of it resulting tire width and aspect ratio are all read from a dropdown menue now. I have to setup individual aspect ratio sizes for the wall size manually yet, as the size for every single aspect ratio is different, and in case you doesnt know, the size is calculated by tire width/100*aspect ratio. I have aspect ratios from 15 to 95 and widths from 155 to 405 in the database, so calculating them individually will take quite some time for now. Oh well. Gonna do it later when I have more rims ingame I guess.

Also, ability to change rim colors is there now. It's not working in the paintshop yet, but it's setup and ready to be implemented ingame. So that's something.

Customizing menue is working neatly for the body shop now. It has all kind of extra tuning parts, aswell as extra parts for particular vehicles, eg. impact bars for the G-Wagon and stuff. Bodykits work too now, which removing and adding parts which do not work/work only with the kit. That's quite cool imo, because it took FOREVER to setup correctly.

All in all, works great yet. Only the physics are killing me. Might need to redo some stuff, as I really have no single idea how to car physics. Playing Forza all day to figure out how they solved some problems I have.

Also, have a basic idea how to rain shader, but nothing seems to work "good" as for now. I'm on it, still.

I will keep you updated as far as I have any news to show :)

EDIT: Oh, I've fixed it. Apparently my physics don't like the 23 inch Brabus wheels I put on my G-Wagon.

Hello fellow ducks, I started working on the non-mockup customization system. It is far away from being finished, but it's working really well already, eventhough it took me quite some time and nerves to figure out two bugs I had prior (which I fixed after I realized I had a wrong event trigger applied.. Well..)

That's what it looks like at the moment. It's globalized with a database, so it will work for every single car I add (in theory) without any complications or hour-long adjustments. :)

PS: I took the Mercedes G-Wagon as an example, as I have many parts done for it over time I can use for testing. I could have used the M3 aswell, but I don't have any customization done for it just yet.

:rolleyes: I still like it

It will take a very long time to this game be finished, but im sure if is finished will be much better than TDU, gran Turismo and Forza... Good luck and have fun!

I doubt it will ever be "finished" at all, I will release a "playable" version, and update it further and further :) Thanks

I only now realize how incredibly good the OST of UG and UG2 was.

Just watching the video and it looks alright, just slap in some netcode (borrow from TDU Project Paradise community server???) and a tropical island and it's ready to ship, haha.

Oh I wish :D But honestly, the game is already at a state I have not expected to achive (so quick). Not saying it's insanely good for the amount of time - real Unreal devs will laugh at me really hard - but as I started in like, september or so, with absolutely 0 knowledge except how do I put in a cube into the scene, I think it's quite something.

Germany would be an interesting area, especially if you were able to include something inspired of the Black Forest mountain roads in addition to Berlin. I've played some of the Cobra 11 'Crash Time' car games on Steam and enjoyed those.

Good point! Haven't actually thought about that. I just know that here in Berlin and in the county Brandenburg which is around the town, the elevation is almost flat. Half of germany, mostly the nothern part is flat as paper, so I haven't thought about mountains. But as it's a game, at the end of the day, who will stop me from putting in a piece of land which is geographicaly totally wrong :D

That's quite a great return of experience for upcoming projects. Thanks.

 

Personally I'd like to get free time to help on these. I've got my own MMOR project as well, it's nothing but some scratch notes somewhere...

No problem, I might hit you and Speeder up in future when I decide to start actual coding. Sooner or later the day will come where I will need that, and I am scared of that day to be honest. I tried some thing in JS, back when I looked around in Unity, (a year ago? two?), but after two weeks I still couldn't code a single line. Oh well. :D Tell me the secret of learning code

am impressed with what I already see in the video. You clearly are making sure to pay attention to the details and the video shows this with the whole lighting options and the ability to take a look into the car. I also liked the little nod to TDU with the use of a certain vehicle. Was cool to see that brought up to date so to speak. As for everything you have listed and spoke about above, it all sounds just like what people would love to see from a game like this and your forward thinking in regards to customisation and a modern-day wrap shop is on the money too.

Thanks! Yeah I (unfortunately) care a lot about correct details, memories about my modding schedule for TDU, huh? :D

Jokes aside, I think a game with bad details is a bad game. You can only imagine how much time I spent on this M3 alone. The fact, that I've made the bulbs in the indicators glow in 3DS Max and the reflector beneath it in chrome, just to render it out and use it as a mask for correct light distribution in the reflector is just one example of how crazy I am about such little details. Also a good friend of mine has an E46 M3, and oh boy, I should have not shown him the model. :D He pointed out a dozen of wrong details just by looking at three screenshots. Have you realized the rims are wrong? That those are the 1M / M3 E92 GTS wheels, and not the ones from the M3 E46 CSL? No? Well, I didn't know the difference either, but there is. Still need to fix it.

The TDU dummy car seemed to be the perfect.. well.. Dummy car for me to test things. I mean, not that I can hide my roots anyway. I just thought a "refresh" of the model, with all the features working the actual TDU have missed, that would be perfect.

I researched a week before I started developing what cool features my dream game should have. Turns out those are the exact features some friends of mine, which never played TDU, also wanted in a car game. I've added even more, actually. And it's still counting. I will give my best not to loose track of it.

About the wrap thing, yeah, I mean, it's basically nothing different than a paint shop. I still need to figure out how (and most importantly IF!) I will make a sticker shop into the game. Like TDU2 had, eventhough I don't know if it wouldn't be overkill. I think custom vinyls aren't really a thing in the modern car world anymore. But as it's still a room for creativity, I need to make my mind about that in the future.

The home ideas all sound good too and it's these sort of optional min-details that set titles apart from one another and so if you get it to work like you want, it would be great.

 

It's going to be quite something watching how this project progresses.

Still need to figure out how exactly I will make it work. But I will make sure that it will work, hopefully exactly like I described.

Thanks :) I'm gonna keep you updated as soon as I have something.

PS: Nothing really exciting happened today. Just added an RPM limiter and fixed the 3D model. Still need to make wipers and dirt work on the car. Ugh.

EDIT: Oh, and I now imported a LOD mesh to the M3. It's a new task in the pipeline. That means, LOD3 for all the Forza models out there. I will make cars below 50k polys not get any LOD meshes, to save me some time, and for all the Forza models there are LODs anyway. Custom made bodykits won't be scaled either. Hope this won't cause too many issues and framedrops later on.

The only thing which makes me worry about is the dirt map for ever car.. AND for their LODs. Fml.

Here's the video! As it was a ton to write, please take a moment to read it. I tried to keep it short, but didn't really succeed, I have to admit.

Alllright, so what kind of progress can you see here:

First of all - all-new physics.

Functionality:

Concepts/WIP:

Multiplayer:

Level:

So, yeah, that's pretty much all I could get up with about telling you about the current state and the concept at the moment. If you got any questions, let me know! I definitly forgot some points, I apologize for that, but the sheer amount of ideas I have drives me crazy. If you cheeky programmers have an idea for more features, or can help me with the existing ones, please do so. One-man-armying isn't fun in the long run.

I fail to see how both project are incompatible.

Plus your work on UI looks pretty great, it would be a waste to throw that away don't you think? :)

Never said it isn't, I personally just see more potential in your project when I overflew your Trello and realized eventhough we are both in the same boat, I didn't even have had half of it on my list (about all the rendering tech) :D And like said, C++ is the way to go for games, and I don't even have a basic idea how code I doubt I'd be very much of a help. Nontheless, I never said I'm abandoning it my project (I spent way too much time on it to throw it away), I just don't quite see the point of me standing in your way on the path to a TDU successor, I'm there to help if you need anything! I guess I just became a bit tired of my game for now :D You have to know I am almost nonstop coding (well, node baded, but still) since the beginning of the year.

BTW the UI of the videos is very outdated, I got a sleek new design in a different side project I created, more on that later

I'm off to recording now by the way!

PS: We need proper car sounds! That's actually the main reason I am a bit ashamed of showing you the progress :D :D I have various dyno videos downloaded, but I always sucked at sound modding.

I believe the point of continue the project is the learning proccess of doing it so and the experience it will give you. No?

Actually no, as this kind knowledge (visual scripting) won't help me in the future whatsoever. I do it in the first place to replace TDU for the community (and hoped to get involved with some people at developing the game and bring in ideas), as there is wage interest in doing so (don't blame you) I do it mostly for fun. Although I might just spend not my whole free time with it, but only partly, when I feel the need to :) I belive a lot in Speeder's project, and I don't want the forum to have two people doing the same thing independently.

Still, I'm gonna show a WIP video later :D

Uhm okay, so I wanted to record my screen with OBS right now and realized I have 15fps. As my physics is (yet) frame dependent, I can't show you the physics recorded just yet. I will cheat and record my screen with a phone tonight in the dark or something. :D Yeah, my PC is not the best, so apoligies for that.

Also thinking of how much sense it does make to actually continue it, as Speeder is quite a bit more skilled than me and there is really nothing to compete for me as we make basically the same games :D

So you're Atari inspiried then?

 

Coming soon...

Yeah pretty much, I am just less.. French.

By the way, a long time passed since I updated the thread, so I wanted to post a WIP video of the current state today or tomorrow. Please get ready your "why didn't you make this / why does it look so weird / why doesnt it work like Forza" text file for quick copy paste here. :D

[quote name='Diablo']@TDUZoqqer you can now edit your first post (but not the title atm) for the next 10 years[I] [/I][/QUOTE] Oh wow, thank you! <3 But 10 years? Not sure if I will manage to finish the game so quick o_O Just joking! Thank you! :)

Ahh, that's what I thought. Had the volumetric clouds in mind ever since I've seen how """"""easy"""""" they are to setup (good look / implementation ratio-wise; 2D sky masks take just as long, they just doesn't look so nice), but I was told by various people that it actually is only suitable for Archviz/Rendering projects and not real time-calculations, like a game. It's probably possible to make it a GPU based particles emitter, but I don't have my head right now for improving my (barely existant :lol: ) environment. Probably gonna care about that a bit later. Gonna hit you up later when I am at this point myself :p

Oh cool, as so, I can recomend you a tutorial series I found on Youtube. Although it's in Russian and he is using UE4, (and the videos are 1h+ each and there are like 15 of it; needed to watch them all, rip), it might come handy for other engines too.

Иван Новожилов

His tutorials work like a charm, and eventhough I barely passed my physics exam at school, the cars are really fun to play around with. (with a few tweaks for my needs)

Also, found this really useful paper for physics builds:

Car Physics

Maybe it's useful, eventhough I think you already know what you're doing.

Eitherway, looking forward for your progress!! :)

How performance-heavy are those clouds? I'm still a bit afraid of creating such over masked 2D ones, eventhough they look better, as I don't want to have unneccessary framedrops over and over.

Also, which kind of physics model do you use? Constraint-based or raycasting? I had serious trouble to setup the constrainted physics, and realized raycast works just as fine, with a few minimal cons, though.

Nice to see another attempt of a car game! I think you are far more skilled than I am, so I guess there will be some actual progress to show compared to me ( :lol: )

Good luck with the project :) I would love to help, but I can't code C++.

I would not recomend to try to mod your Xbox whatsoever. I mean, 360's are not really expensive anymore on eBay, but according how many Xboxes you will screw during the process is just absolutely not necessary.

Well, then you are screwed. There is no way to import TDU files into 3DS max without ZModeler. Probably with 3Dsim, but I never used it with TDU files.

Interesting Idea, although looking at your first wheel design, that would never work in real life. Rims are always symmetric for a good reason - angular velocity force. Which means in terms of simple english - rotation force. A wheel need to be perfectly round to distribute the rotation force equally so the rim, brakes and axis won't suffer with every rotation. That's the reason why regular rims always have some weights behind the spokes as the weight is never perfectly distributed without it.

To the start point of the thread - I am not really a fan of such wheel designs either, but there might be the one or the other which might want to convert it. I just wanted to drop my two cents about why wheel designs like those are fairly uncommon in real world.

Any chance to make me, a badged modder, being able to edit my game dev thread which is not in the mod section? I mean, we had the talk about this a while ago Diablo, but I was just wondering :cheeky:

Well, yeah, that's whole the point

If you have a 3D model of it it would be an easier task. But as there are none around which are free I must disapoint you and say it will take a while till your request is fulfilled.

When you have time, check the video about my point. I understand that people want to make money, but I still think 4 million for a "regular" car ingame which isn't any better than the others is scammy.

And of course - nobody FORCES me to pay, nor anyone forces me to grind or to play with the items - but I want those Items to play with, as they look fun to play with. And I don't play online on such a regular basis just to meet up friends which make a stupid job for me I have done 20 times.

It was working in 2013-2014 as the game still was interesting to me and my friends, but now it's just boring, mission wise. I understand why so many stopped playing. I also play on irregular basis that it just isn't worth to meetup with anyone to play. Don't get me wrong, I have 1200+ hours playtime on Online so I know what I am talking about.

And yes I do complain about grinding. Because it isn't anything not to be pissed about. I don't want to make one mission over and over and over just because it gives the most cash. Like said, I don't have anything about people wanting to make money, but I'd perfer they did that in a way which is less scammy. I would pay for DLC's when they are balanced. The "free" ones are not.

At the end of the day - it is a game. A game supposed to be fun. Grinding isn't fun. So this game isn't good (anymore). So easy that is. My opinion.